Discussion:
My IRC Flame
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GreenXenon
2009-02-10 20:23:52 UTC
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My favorite infrared flame is sound-free [i.e. completely silent],
char-free, soot-free, smoke-free, odor-free, ember-free, tar-free, and
ash-free. Pretty much waste-free. No CO2 or H20-vapor either.

The flame does not emit any sonic or mechanical energy to any extent
at any frequency. It is also not affected by wind at all.

The fuels are hydrogen gas, as well as any form of natural gas,
camphor, and any substance that classifies as an alcohol. An alcohol
is a substance that contains carbon and a hydroxyl group [OH].

This flame emits IR light not out of incandescence but due to specific
quantum jumps.

The temperature of this flame is not much different from its
surroundings so incandescence wouldn't occur anyway. This flame feels
warm due to the EM radiation it emits, despite the fact that it's
temperature isn't any higher than the surroundings.

The flame emits coherent light [as a result of specific quantum jumps]
at all wavelengths of the middle-zone* of far-infrared radiation with
equal intensities [intensity = photons-per-second-per-square-meter]
with steady attenuation outside of the middle-zone, finally reaching
zero at the ends of the FIR spectrum

*Let's say the far-infrared spectrum (3,000-1 million nm) is divided
in to 3 equally-wide zones. The first zone has the longer-wavelengths
of far-IR [1 million nm being the longest], the third zone contains
the shorter-wavelengths of far-IR [3,000 nm being the shortest]. My IR
flame emits mostly in the second [i.e. middle] zone of the far-IR.
If the spectral emission of this hypothetical IR fire were graphed,
the emission would peak as a flat-top in the middle-zone. However,
from the short-wave end of the mid-zone to 3,000 nm there is a linear
slant of attenuation from the max at the short-wave end of the mid-
zone to 3,000 nm [where the intensity is 1-photon-per-second-per-
square-meter]. There would also be the exact same attenuation of light-
intensity from the long-wave end of the mid-zone to 1 million nm. At 1
million nm the intensity is 1-photon-per-second-per-square-meter, as
you go in the right direction, the line [indication intensity] goes up
until it reach the mid-zone. The 1st and 3rd zones of emission of the
flame would look like equally big right-angle triangles while the 2nd
would look like a square [or rectangle depending on perspective]
connecting the two triangles.
The EM radiation is coherent in the sense that any photon will be in
phase with other photons of the same wavelength.

The IR flame completely safe. The maximum intensity of EM radiation it
emits is low-enough not to cause any injury, discomfort [physical or
psychological], or damage to any part of any living organism.

The shape and movement of this flame closely-resembles that of
bituminous-coal flame in an environment with:

1. An atmospheric pressure similar to that of Earth.

2. Gravity as strong as the sun.

3. Just enough oxygen for the bituminous-coal to emit a non-flickering
flame.

4. No wind at all.

5. Just enough combustion for the flame to be self-sustaining
[opposite of the gushing flame one gets from a Bunsen burner**]

**From a Bunsen burner, the flame is like a "jet flame" and hence, has
enough pressure to produce that round cone-shaped flame when the gas
is ignited and running. By contrast, a bituminous coal [like most
solid fuels] emits low pressure flammables when ignited [hence there
is no cone or "mushrooming" at all]. The shapes and movements of my
infrared flame are similar to that which would occur if the bituminous
coal was releasing its flammables at the minimum pressure required for
there to be a non-flickering flame.

The candle which emits this flame is made purely out of the highest-
quality crystal goblet.

The flammable substances are pumped through this crystal candle and
then ignited.

Since this flame emits IR-only [invisible to unaided human eyes], a
device that converts IR to visible light will be necessary in order to
see this flame.

This infrared flame could occur in simulated reality. Sadly, in
physical reality, it is way too good to ever be true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality


Thanks
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
2009-02-10 20:37:44 UTC
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Post by GreenXenon
My favorite infrared flame is sound-free [i.e. completely silent],
char-free, soot-free, smoke-free, odor-free, ember-free, tar-free, and
ash-free. Pretty much waste-free. No CO2 or H20-vapor either.
Thus flame-free.
Post by GreenXenon
The flame does not emit any sonic or mechanical energy to any extent
at any frequency. It is also not affected by wind at all.
Of course; no flame, wind cannot affect it.
Post by GreenXenon
The fuels are hydrogen gas, as well as any form of natural gas,
camphor, and any substance that classifies as an alcohol. An alcohol
is a substance that contains carbon and a hydroxyl group [OH].
Hydrogen burning in florine produces no H2O; please breath the
products.
Post by GreenXenon
This flame emits IR light not out of incandescence but due to
specific
Post by GreenXenon
quantum jumps.
The temperature of this flame is not much different from its
surroundings so incandescence wouldn't occur anyway. This flame feels
warm due to the EM radiation it emits, despite the fact that it's
temperature isn't any higher than the surroundings.
If it isn't 'warmer' in some spectrum, it cannot radiate.
Post by GreenXenon
The IR flame completely safe. The maximum intensity of EM radiation it
emits is low-enough not to cause any injury, discomfort [physical or
psychological], or damage to any part of any living organism.
If it "feels warm" and emits HF gas, it _will_ damage many living
organisms... hopefully it's 'inventor' first.
Post by GreenXenon
3. Just enough oxygen for the bituminous-coal to emit a non-
flickering
Post by GreenXenon
flame.
Ah... oxygen. But no H2O -- interesting reaction.
Post by GreenXenon
4. No wind at all.
Oh... THAT's why "wind doesn't affect it at all"; no wind.
Post by GreenXenon
This infrared flame could occur in simulated reality. Sadly, in
physical reality, it is way too good to ever be true.
Not even in the wacked-out simulation you call a brain.

Stop X-posting this crap to rec.pyro. We're not interested in your
ravings.

LS
GreenXenon
2009-02-12 01:36:53 UTC
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On Feb 10, 12:37 pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
My favorite infrared flame is sound-free [i.e. completely silent],
char-free, soot-free, smoke-free, odor-free, ember-free, tar-free,
and
Post by GreenXenon
ash-free. Pretty much waste-free. No CO2 or H20-vapor either.
Thus flame-free.
Nope. My IRC flame only emits EM radiation. No other form of energy/
matter.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The flame does not emit any sonic or mechanical energy to any extent
at any frequency. It is also not affected by wind at all.
Of course; no flame, wind cannot affect it.
There is a flame but not affected by air.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The fuels are hydrogen gas, as well as any form of natural gas,
camphor, and any substance that classifies as an alcohol. An alcohol
is a substance that contains carbon and a hydroxyl group [OH].
Hydrogen burning in florine produces no H2O; please breath the
products.
The FIR flame uses O2 as the oxidant, not flourine. No byproducts.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
This flame emits IR light not out of incandescence but due to
specific
Post by GreenXenon
quantum jumps.
The temperature of this flame is not much different from its
surroundings so incandescence wouldn't occur anyway. This flame
feels
Post by GreenXenon
warm due to the EM radiation it emits, despite the fact that it's
temperature isn't any higher than the surroundings.
If it isn't 'warmer' in some spectrum, it cannot radiate.
UV and visible light can be emitted by non-incandescent sources. So
can FIR.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The IR flame completely safe. The maximum intensity of EM radiation
it
Post by GreenXenon
emits is low-enough not to cause any injury, discomfort [physical or
psychological], or damage to any part of any living organism.
If it "feels warm" and emits HF gas, it _will_ damage many living
organisms... hopefully it's 'inventor' first.
There is no waste gas, no HF, no CO2, no H20. Absolutely no chemical
waste products.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
3. Just enough oxygen for the bituminous-coal to emit a non-
flickering
Post by GreenXenon
flame.
Ah... oxygen. But no H2O -- interesting reaction.
Post by GreenXenon
4. No wind at all.
Oh... THAT's why "wind doesn't affect it at all"; no wind.
I was stating the FIR flame would have shapes similar to what a
bituminous coal flame would have if the bituminous coal flame were
under the above 5 conditions. I didn't say the FIR flame would
actually be in those above conditions.

I also stated that my FIR flame is too good to be true in physical
reality. One would have to use simulated reality to experience that
flame.
John Reilly
2009-02-12 03:58:50 UTC
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Post by GreenXenon
On Feb 10, 12:37 pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
My favorite infrared flame is sound-free [i.e. completely silent],
char-free, soot-free, smoke-free, odor-free, ember-free, tar-free,
and
Post by GreenXenon
ash-free. Pretty much waste-free. No CO2 or H20-vapor either.
Thus flame-free.
Nope. My IRC flame only emits EM radiation. No other form of energy/
matter.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The flame does not emit any sonic or mechanical energy to any extent
at any frequency. It is also not affected by wind at all.
Of course;  no flame, wind cannot affect it.
There is a flame but not affected by air.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The fuels are hydrogen gas, as well as any form of natural gas,
camphor, and any substance that classifies as an alcohol. An alcohol
is a substance that contains carbon and a hydroxyl group [OH].
Hydrogen burning in florine produces no H2O; please breath the
products.
The FIR flame uses O2 as the oxidant, not flourine. No byproducts.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
This flame emits IR light not out of incandescence but due to
specific
Post by GreenXenon
quantum jumps.
The temperature of this flame is not much different from its
surroundings so incandescence wouldn't occur anyway. This flame
feels
Post by GreenXenon
warm due to the EM radiation it emits, despite the fact that it's
temperature isn't any higher than the surroundings.
If it isn't 'warmer' in some spectrum, it cannot radiate.
UV and visible light can be emitted by non-incandescent sources. So
can FIR.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The IR flame completely safe. The maximum intensity of EM radiation
it
Post by GreenXenon
emits is low-enough not to cause any injury, discomfort [physical or
psychological], or damage to any part of any living organism.
If it "feels warm" and emits HF gas, it _will_ damage many living
organisms... hopefully it's 'inventor' first.
There is no waste gas, no HF, no CO2, no H20. Absolutely no chemical
waste products.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
3. Just enough oxygen for the bituminous-coal to emit a non-
flickering
Post by GreenXenon
flame.
Ah... oxygen.  But no H2O -- interesting reaction.
Post by GreenXenon
4. No wind at all.
Oh... THAT's why "wind doesn't affect it at all"; no wind.
I was stating the FIR flame would have shapes similar to what a
bituminous coal flame would have if the bituminous coal flame were
under the above 5 conditions. I didn't say the FIR flame would
actually be in those above conditions.
I also stated that my FIR flame is too good to be true in physical
reality. One would have to use simulated reality to experience that
flame.
I read in the paper today that the state mental institution in St.
Louis has a couple of vacant beds and plenty of amps for the shock
paddles. If that doesn't appeal to you, maybe you could apply for a
cabinet position in Oh-Bama's administration. I'm sure that he'd have
a sympathetic ear for your unique outlook on coal/energy. At least
you make more sense than Gore.

T. Roosevelt
Bob1001
2009-02-12 21:40:10 UTC
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Post by John Reilly
Post by GreenXenon
On Feb 10, 12:37 pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
My favorite infrared flame is sound-free [i.e. completely silent],
char-free, soot-free, smoke-free, odor-free, ember-free, tar-free,
and
Post by GreenXenon
ash-free. Pretty much waste-free. No CO2 or H20-vapor either.
Thus flame-free.
Nope. My IRC flame only emits EM radiation. No other form of energy/
matter.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The flame does not emit any sonic or mechanical energy to any extent
at any frequency. It is also not affected by wind at all.
Of course;  no flame, wind cannot affect it.
There is a flame but not affected by air.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The fuels are hydrogen gas, as well as any form of natural gas,
camphor, and any substance that classifies as an alcohol. An alcohol
is a substance that contains carbon and a hydroxyl group [OH].
Hydrogen burning in florine produces no H2O; please breath the
products.
The FIR flame uses O2 as the oxidant, not flourine. No byproducts.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
This flame emits IR light not out of incandescence but due to
specific
Post by GreenXenon
quantum jumps.
The temperature of this flame is not much different from its
surroundings so incandescence wouldn't occur anyway. This flame
feels
Post by GreenXenon
warm due to the EM radiation it emits, despite the fact that it's
temperature isn't any higher than the surroundings.
If it isn't 'warmer' in some spectrum, it cannot radiate.
UV and visible light can be emitted by non-incandescent sources. So
can FIR.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
The IR flame completely safe. The maximum intensity of EM radiation
it
Post by GreenXenon
emits is low-enough not to cause any injury, discomfort [physical or
psychological], or damage to any part of any living organism.
If it "feels warm" and emits HF gas, it _will_ damage many living
organisms... hopefully it's 'inventor' first.
There is no waste gas, no HF, no CO2, no H20. Absolutely no chemical
waste products.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Post by GreenXenon
3. Just enough oxygen for the bituminous-coal to emit a non-
flickering
Post by GreenXenon
flame.
Ah... oxygen.  But no H2O -- interesting reaction.
Post by GreenXenon
4. No wind at all.
Oh... THAT's why "wind doesn't affect it at all"; no wind.
I was stating the FIR flame would have shapes similar to what a
bituminous coal flame would have if the bituminous coal flame were
under the above 5 conditions. I didn't say the FIR flame would
actually be in those above conditions.
I also stated that my FIR flame is too good to be true in physical
reality. One would have to use simulated reality to experience that
flame.
I read in the paper today that the state mental institution in St.
Louis has a couple of vacant beds and plenty of amps for the shock
paddles.  If that doesn't appeal to you, maybe you could apply for a
cabinet position in Oh-Bama's administration.  I'm sure that he'd have
a sympathetic ear for your unique outlook on coal/energy.  At least
you make more sense than Gore.
T. Roosevelt- Hide quoted text -
great post! Agreed, im sure that the messiah will glady take him as a
cabinet member. Hopefully they just keep him in the cabinet, with a
lock on it, with soundproofing as described in Lloyds book, and
finally thrown it into his "simulated reality" with no way of return.

Bob
Richard Casady
2009-02-14 16:50:46 UTC
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:36:53 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
Post by GreenXenon
Nope. My IRC flame only emits EM radiation. No other form of energy/
matter.
No neutrinos? Are you sure? How can you tell?

Casady
GreenXenon
2009-02-14 19:56:21 UTC
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Post by Richard Casady
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:36:53 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
Post by GreenXenon
Nope. My IRC flame only emits EM radiation. No other form of energy/
matter.
No neutrinos?
Nope. None at all.
Post by Richard Casady
Are you sure?
Absolutely
Post by Richard Casady
How can you tell?
Magic
Uncle Al
2009-02-11 01:00:38 UTC
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GreenXenon wrote:
[snip]

The perseverative idiot returns. Hey stooopid - then village idiot
should be entertaining, otherwise one obtains a happier moment after
attaching each of its limbs to a hale and hearty horse, then firing a
pistol.
Post by GreenXenon
The IR flame completely safe.
idiot

A hydrogen diffusion flame - and they are far from safe.
[snip rest of crap]
--
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(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
Joe Smith
2009-02-11 01:46:58 UTC
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By the way, where is Harry these days???
then village idiot should be entertaining, ...
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
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ImageAnalyst
2009-02-16 05:04:56 UTC
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Post by Uncle Al
[snip]
The perseverative idiot returns.  Hey stooopid - then village idiot
should be entertaining, otherwise one obtains a happier moment after
attaching each of its limbs to a hale and hearty horse, then firing a
pistol.
Post by GreenXenon
The IR flame completely safe.
idiot
A hydrogen diffusion flame - and they are far from safe.
[snip rest of crap]
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Yeah, this nut case posted the same stupid question in sci.optics just
before Christmas and it had the subject "A Christmas Flame." Actually
the only flames going on were the responses to his post. In the end
he admitted he made the whole thing up and that it was just science
fiction. He has a long habit of these dumb posts and rhetorical
questions. He's called the "Green Idiot" over in sci.optics. He
seems to enjoy the notoriety and poor reputation he earns for
himself.
ImageAnalyst
2009-02-16 05:07:03 UTC
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Post by ImageAnalyst
Yeah, this nut case posted the same stupid question in sci.optics just
before Christmas and it had the subject "A Christmas Flame."  Actually
the only flames going on were the responses to his post.  In the end
he admitted he made the whole thing up and that it was just science
fiction.  He has a long habit of these dumb posts and rhetorical
questions.  He's called the "Green Idiot" over in sci.optics.  He
seems to enjoy the notoriety and poor reputation he earns for
himself.
Actually I noticed he cross posted the Christmas Flame here also.
What a kook.

Kansas
2009-02-11 12:19:43 UTC
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The silly season must be at hand,
This poster is back,
Joe Smith is baiting Harry again,
And we have a new poster trying to make potassium chlorate from weed killer.
Spring is here!
Stay Green.
Post by GreenXenon
My favorite infrared flame is sound-free [i.e. completely silent],
char-free, soot-free, smoke-free, odor-free, ember-free, tar-free, and
ash-free. Pretty much waste-free. No CO2 or H20-vapor either.
The flame does not emit any sonic or mechanical energy to any extent
at any frequency. It is also not affected by wind at all.
The fuels are hydrogen gas, as well as any form of natural gas,
camphor, and any substance that classifies as an alcohol. An alcohol
is a substance that contains carbon and a hydroxyl group [OH].
This flame emits IR light not out of incandescence but due to specific
quantum jumps.
The temperature of this flame is not much different from its
surroundings so incandescence wouldn't occur anyway. This flame feels
warm due to the EM radiation it emits, despite the fact that it's
temperature isn't any higher than the surroundings.
The flame emits coherent light [as a result of specific quantum jumps]
at all wavelengths of the middle-zone* of far-infrared radiation with
equal intensities [intensity = photons-per-second-per-square-meter]
with steady attenuation outside of the middle-zone, finally reaching
zero at the ends of the FIR spectrum
*Let's say the far-infrared spectrum (3,000-1 million nm) is divided
in to 3 equally-wide zones. The first zone has the longer-wavelengths
of far-IR [1 million nm being the longest], the third zone contains
the shorter-wavelengths of far-IR [3,000 nm being the shortest]. My IR
flame emits mostly in the second [i.e. middle] zone of the far-IR.
If the spectral emission of this hypothetical IR fire were graphed,
the emission would peak as a flat-top in the middle-zone. However,
from the short-wave end of the mid-zone to 3,000 nm there is a linear
slant of attenuation from the max at the short-wave end of the mid-
zone to 3,000 nm [where the intensity is 1-photon-per-second-per-
square-meter]. There would also be the exact same attenuation of light-
intensity from the long-wave end of the mid-zone to 1 million nm. At 1
million nm the intensity is 1-photon-per-second-per-square-meter, as
you go in the right direction, the line [indication intensity] goes up
until it reach the mid-zone. The 1st and 3rd zones of emission of the
flame would look like equally big right-angle triangles while the 2nd
would look like a square [or rectangle depending on perspective]
connecting the two triangles.
The EM radiation is coherent in the sense that any photon will be in
phase with other photons of the same wavelength.
The IR flame completely safe. The maximum intensity of EM radiation it
emits is low-enough not to cause any injury, discomfort [physical or
psychological], or damage to any part of any living organism.
The shape and movement of this flame closely-resembles that of
1. An atmospheric pressure similar to that of Earth.
2. Gravity as strong as the sun.
3. Just enough oxygen for the bituminous-coal to emit a non-flickering
flame.
4. No wind at all.
5. Just enough combustion for the flame to be self-sustaining
[opposite of the gushing flame one gets from a Bunsen burner**]
**From a Bunsen burner, the flame is like a "jet flame" and hence, has
enough pressure to produce that round cone-shaped flame when the gas
is ignited and running. By contrast, a bituminous coal [like most
solid fuels] emits low pressure flammables when ignited [hence there
is no cone or "mushrooming" at all]. The shapes and movements of my
infrared flame are similar to that which would occur if the bituminous
coal was releasing its flammables at the minimum pressure required for
there to be a non-flickering flame.
The candle which emits this flame is made purely out of the highest-
quality crystal goblet.
The flammable substances are pumped through this crystal candle and
then ignited.
Since this flame emits IR-only [invisible to unaided human eyes], a
device that converts IR to visible light will be necessary in order to
see this flame.
This infrared flame could occur in simulated reality. Sadly, in
physical reality, it is way too good to ever be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
Thanks
Eric Gisse
2009-02-11 13:37:00 UTC
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On Feb 10, 11:23 am, GreenXenon <***@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

Go away - you were not missed.
GreenXenon
2009-02-12 01:26:20 UTC
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On Feb 10, 12:39 pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
Post by GreenXenon
My favorite infrared flame is sound-free
My favorite one is horribly noisy, emitting the sound of tortured
screaming as you burn in it.
But, as said in the original post, this fire doesn't get *nearly* hot
enough to cause any thermal injuries.
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