Discussion:
where is God?
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Dale
2013-12-19 07:04:59 UTC
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frankly, I don't know for sure

but

IF the brain is material, and real, then, everything in the brain,
thoughts, imaginations, and emotions etc. perhaps are material and real

God MIGHT be "all in your mind" but perhaps material and real, there

perhaps God is an individual thing and many numbered, perhaps the Angels
and those who have passed on exist there too

AND perhaps the above is a shared thing, even just subliminally, in
conversation, SINCE the brain does emit electric and magnetic signals
about what is happening in it and scientists have been able to decipher
these

perhaps there is a collective consciousness among all life to to factors
like this we have yet to discover

if you say imaginary numbers (the square root of negative one, etc.) are
existential, does this not apply to other imaginary things too

EVEN IF all the above is false and God does not exist, few organizations
beside religion, the only one I know is the Council on Secular Humanism,
try to provide a social fabric, absolute moralism, whereas most atheist
groups seem to believe in relative or individual related morality

supposedly the first written law started with Hammurabi in Mesopotamia
at the same time The Bible says man and woman were created, you could
say that might have been the original sin thinking about what is right
or wrong instead of pleasure and survival, either way someone is going
to be in charge and tell you what to do unless you are King of the
earth, or King of a separated society like a scattered tribe or
scattered indivudal
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Dale
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2013-12-19 16:06:04 UTC
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Post by Dale
frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.

Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
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Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they
do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under
circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.
Dale
2013-12-21 15:57:22 UTC
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Post by Dale
frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
--
Dale
Dale
2013-12-21 17:26:00 UTC
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Post by Dale
frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
IF the brain is material, and real, then, everything in the brain,
thoughts, imaginations, and emotions etc. perhaps are material and real
God MIGHT be "all in your mind" but perhaps material and real, there
perhaps God is an individual thing and many numbered, perhaps the Angels
and those who have passed on exist there too
AND perhaps the above is a shared thing, even just subliminally, in
conversation, SINCE the brain does emit electric and magnetic signals
about what is happening in it and scientists have been able to decipher
these
perhaps there is a collective consciousness among all life to to factors
like this we have yet to discover
if you say imaginary numbers (the square root of negative one, etc.) are
existential, does this not apply to other imaginary things too
EVEN IF all the above is false and God does not exist, few organizations
beside religion, the only one I know is the Council on Secular Humanism,
try to provide a social fabric, absolute moralism, whereas most atheist
groups seem to believe in relative or individual related morality
supposedly the first written law started with Hammurabi in Mesopotamia
at the same time The Bible says man and woman were created, you could
say that might have been the original sin thinking about what is right
or wrong instead of pleasure and survival, either way someone is going
to be in charge and tell you what to do unless you are King of the
earth, or King of a separated society like a scattered tribe or
scattered indivudal
--
Dale
this idea morality, and orders about what can be done or not, are related
to the part of social organization. It has a principle in the alpha male
rule, about who has the right to breed, or the right of first to eat.
In the case of prey hunted by females the male lions come later and have
a preference to eat. In the case of chimps, the alpha male and a few of
his allies have the exclusive right to breed, and he can choose the tree
with most fruit, and chase others out of it, till he is satiated.
In the case of a pack of wolves, the alpha male and females are the first
to eat the best part of a hunted prey. Then, according the their social
rank the younger dogs, and those with lesser rank are the last to eat.
The system keeps going, for out of the pack there is not any life, there
are not any possibilities of survival unless you gain some strength and
some intelligence at hunting. But out of the territory of the pack there
is not any life, unless the world have only a little population of
wolves.
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In the case of humans religion provide ideological arguments to favor
those up with the higher status. It functions in a similar way to
the pack
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of wolves and other social animals. Those up in the rank are favored to
to eat best. Then all the rules served to remind people who is in
command.
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In general all the rules of morality serve to the benefit of those with
the higher rank. Most of the rules are meant to limit to spontaneous
growth of new alpha males; for this outgrowth would be the cause of
troubles
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and internal warfare (civil wars). Then the human societies had grown too
big, and they need a special corps to prosecute the birth and development
of "new rulers" withing the system; for those new rulers came from a
lower
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rank cast and will attack and destroy the higher cast, substituting them.
So, they system had invented a complex system of police and spies, to
control and destroy those individuals and with lower rank that are
gaining
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power by diverse strategies. Not only the ascending leaders but its
soldiers
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as well.
So, morality is basically a system of rules to make it easier to govern
people. The number of rules are a little exaggerated, but they are
useful
Post by Dale
sometimes to punish publicly some samples of lower class people to remind
the inferior class that there is a law, and an invisible eye is watching
them all. Then, by punishing some lower class people from time to time,
the rulers are reminding people their police and spies can be a rough and
heartless people. In Medieval times, it was needed from time to time to
prosecuted this lower class people, like witches, hereticals, sodomites,
and Jews. This was needed, when lower class people was showing some lack
of respect for those with higher rank. Those sacrifices were called by
very Ancient Greeks "pharmacoin". And were made to cure society of some
ills, like an epidemic, a drought or exaggerated rains. Thus the victims
were called pharmacoi for they were meant to cure the ills they were
suffering. Those ills, like droughts and epidemics, were interpreted as
a punishment of the gods, that were not happy with us, for we were not
giving enough presents to sacrifice in their temples. Then, the priests
of the gods were almost starving and do not served the gods properly.
One of the things the gods love is see their priests are chubby.
Eridanus
I see that you are right and that things are this way and have to be
this way until there is enough wealth to "share the wealth" completely
as a right minded person would know
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Dale
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2013-12-21 18:54:47 UTC
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
--
Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they
do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under
circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.
Pelican
2013-12-23 05:50:32 UTC
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Post by Dale
frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
George Kerby
2013-12-23 14:08:06 UTC
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
You have the Birth Certificate of the POTUS to support HIS claim?
J. Clarke
2013-12-23 14:47:30 UTC
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
You have the Birth Certificate of the POTUS to support HIS claim?
George, I'm a Republican, and thought to be a loon. So when I say that
this line of argument marks you as a loon, _believe_ it.
George Kerby
2013-12-24 16:50:43 UTC
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
You have the Birth Certificate of the POTUS to support HIS claim?
George, I'm a Republican, and thought to be a loon. So when I say that
this line of argument marks you as a loon, _believe_ it.
And not a drop of irony doth *NOT* touch your poor pointy head...
J. Clarke
2013-12-24 18:00:30 UTC
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
You have the Birth Certificate of the POTUS to support HIS claim?
George, I'm a Republican, and thought to be a loon. So when I say that
this line of argument marks you as a loon, _believe_ it.
And not a drop of irony doth *NOT* touch your poor pointy head...
Where is the "irony"? Are you laboring under the misconception that all
believers in God are also the sort of conspiracy nut that thinks that
Obama is inelegible for the Presidency? If so, kindly get back under
your rock, or else get out a bit and spend some time in various
churches, preferably those in poor communities, where you will find
numerous fervent believers who think that Republicans are the spawn of
Satan. Hell, just attend church in DC and if you pick the right one
you'll see Obama himself there.
George Kerby
2013-12-24 18:54:56 UTC
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On 12/24/13 12:00 PM, in article
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
You have the Birth Certificate of the POTUS to support HIS claim?
George, I'm a Republican, and thought to be a loon. So when I say that
this line of argument marks you as a loon, _believe_ it.
And not a drop of irony doth *NOT* touch your poor pointy head...
Where is the "irony"? Are you laboring under the misconception that all
believers in God are also the sort of conspiracy nut that thinks that
Obama is inelegible for the Presidency? If so, kindly get back under
your rock, or else get out a bit and spend some time in various
churches, preferably those in poor communities, where you will find
numerous fervent believers who think that Republicans are the spawn of
Satan. Hell, just attend church in DC and if you pick the right one
you'll see Obama himself there.
"Bless your heart - you poor thing..." would be an applicable observation
for you.

Merry CHRISTmas, BTW...
J. Clarke
2013-12-24 21:22:29 UTC
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On 12/24/13 12:00 PM, in article
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
You have the Birth Certificate of the POTUS to support HIS claim?
George, I'm a Republican, and thought to be a loon. So when I say that
this line of argument marks you as a loon, _believe_ it.
And not a drop of irony doth *NOT* touch your poor pointy head...
Where is the "irony"? Are you laboring under the misconception that all
believers in God are also the sort of conspiracy nut that thinks that
Obama is inelegible for the Presidency? If so, kindly get back under
your rock, or else get out a bit and spend some time in various
churches, preferably those in poor communities, where you will find
numerous fervent believers who think that Republicans are the spawn of
Satan. Hell, just attend church in DC and if you pick the right one
you'll see Obama himself there.
"Bless your heart - you poor thing..." would be an applicable observation
for you.
Merry CHRISTmas, BTW...
Bah, humbug.
George Kerby
2013-12-24 23:19:59 UTC
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On 12/24/13 12:00 PM, in article
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On 12/23/13 8:47 AM, in article
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frankly, I don't know for sure
but
A fictional being from a book of Fiction.
Off-topic in a photo group, try alt.mythology.
and don't forget the be-as-T in you
Yawn, Old Testament God would have smited (smote) me. He has quite a
temper back then. But he died around 33AD.
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
You have the Birth Certificate of the POTUS to support HIS claim?
George, I'm a Republican, and thought to be a loon. So when I say that
this line of argument marks you as a loon, _believe_ it.
And not a drop of irony doth *NOT* touch your poor pointy head...
Where is the "irony"? Are you laboring under the misconception that all
believers in God are also the sort of conspiracy nut that thinks that
Obama is inelegible for the Presidency? If so, kindly get back under
your rock, or else get out a bit and spend some time in various
churches, preferably those in poor communities, where you will find
numerous fervent believers who think that Republicans are the spawn of
Satan. Hell, just attend church in DC and if you pick the right one
you'll see Obama himself there.
"Bless your heart - you poor thing..." would be an applicable observation
for you.
Merry CHRISTmas, BTW...
Bah, humbug.
Switches and coal lumps for you!

;-)

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2013-12-23 17:09:31 UTC
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Post by Pelican
You have the original death certificate, or a certified copy, to support
your claim?
Produce a Birth Certificate!
--
Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they
do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under
circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.
Usenet Account
2013-12-23 17:11:58 UTC
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God? There is absolutely zero proof that there is any God. It's 2013
folks, times to dispel the myth.
--
Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they
do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under
circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.
Savageduck
2013-12-23 17:28:56 UTC
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God? There is absolutely zero proof that there is any God. It's 2013
folks, times to dispel the myth.
At least the cargo cultists had something solid to work with for a
while until those darn missionaries got to them.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
Mayayana
2013-12-23 18:17:23 UTC
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"Usenet Account" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:l99qsv$a1t$***@nanae.eternal-september.org...
| God? There is absolutely zero proof that there is any God. It's 2013
| folks, times to dispel the myth.
|

You've defined God as an independently existing,
superior creature. Isn't that a rather primitive definition
for "2013"?

If you insist on reducing God to a solid entity observable
by the senses, like yourself, then you're faced with another
dilemma: There's no proof that you exist, either. And now
you've killed off the only possibility of getting out of that
pickle. :)

All you can say with certainty is that cognition seems
to be happening, coming through your physical senses,
apparently of its own accord. Everything
else is speculation. And despite the dogmatic claims of
the quasi-religion of scientific materialism, there's no
way to confirm any truly existing subject/object reality,
outside of the limited scope of science's own concretist,
subject/object assumption. In other words, science does
not and cannot adopt a view outside of its own limited
scope of observation.

When you woke up this morning you left behind a
dream world that seemed just as real as the world you
woke into. How do you know the waking world is more
real? What's "real"? Your argument against God is essentially
the same as the worm on a leaf who declares that the
world's end is at the end of the leaf. For the worm that
may be obvious and "provable". What you and the worm
share is an assumption that there is no knowledge or
understanding higher than your own.

(Mind you, I'm not claiming there *is* a God, in your
sense or any other. Nor am I saying otherwise.)
Martin Leese
2013-12-19 17:35:51 UTC
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Post by Dale
frankly, I don't know for sure
but
IF the brain is material, and real, then, everything in the brain,
thoughts, imaginations, and emotions etc. perhaps are material and real
God MIGHT be "all in your mind" but perhaps material and real, there
perhaps God is an individual thing and many numbered, perhaps the Angels
and those who have passed on exist there too
AND perhaps the above is a shared thing, even just subliminally, in
conversation, SINCE the brain does emit electric and magnetic signals
about what is happening in it and scientists have been able to decipher
these
perhaps there is a collective consciousness among all life to to factors
like this we have yet to discover
if you say imaginary numbers (the square root of negative one, etc.) are
existential, does this not apply to other imaginary things too
EVEN IF all the above is false and God does not exist, few organizations
beside religion, the only one I know is the Council on Secular Humanism,
try to provide a social fabric, absolute moralism, whereas most atheist
groups seem to believe in relative or individual related morality
supposedly the first written law started with Hammurabi in Mesopotamia
at the same time The Bible says man and woman were created, you could
say that might have been the original sin thinking about what is right
or wrong instead of pleasure and survival, either way someone is going
to be in charge and tell you what to do unless you are King of the
earth, or King of a separated society like a scattered tribe or
scattered indivudal
Go away, troll.
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